Sunday, September 18, 2005

DEP- Delayed Enlistment Program

DEP- Delayed Enlistment Program
What is the Delayed Enlistment Program?
Most people who enlist are signed up into the Delayed Enlistment Program (DEP), also called the Delayed Entry Program, for up to a year before they report for active duty training.
To get details on how to get out of the DEP, go to the link at the top of this page.

On the seventh day of opt out a recruiter said to me.....
"Hey Chris, this is Sgt. Kelt with the army, man... by federal law you got an appointment with me at 2 o'clock this afternoon. You fail to appear and we'll have a warrant. Okay? So give me a call back."
-Houston Area Recruiter, caught lying on tape.



The 12 Days of Opt Out
September 12-24, 2005

Check out this blogsite as it changes each day during Sept. 12-24 to educate and highlight the various ways schools are militarized.


From Liz Rivera Goldstein, Teen Peace Project
For the past three years, I have been doing counter recruiting work. I have talked to parents, teachers and friends of young adults who have signed up for the DEP, or are considering enlisting. I am often asked, "What do you say to someone who has decided to enlist?"

If you argue or say something like, "Are you out of your mind??" in an attempt to change their minds, you may just shut down communication. For many people, deciding to enlist is the first big "adult" decision they make. Recruiters know this, and can use bullying statements, such as, "Who wears the pants around here, you - or your mother?" So respecting the young adult you are trying to reach is important.

Instead of lecturing or arguing with them, give them some questions to ask their recruiter. Put them in control of the situation. The best advice I have heard is to suggest they sit across from their recruiter, with a pad of paper and pen. Have them review the promises the recruiter has made- and write each point on the pad. Include things such as money, bonuses, education, job assignment. Then ask the recruiter if that's everything they have offered. If you have it all written down, then push the list over to the recruiter, and ask them to sign their name to the paper, as a guarantee for all they have promised. A recruiter can't do this--it's in the fine print on the enlistment agreement that whatever a recruiter promises is not binding. This can help a person see the reality of the situation- the recruiter is a sales person- trying to close the deal. They can promise all sorts of things- and unlike any other type of transaction- they don't have to deliver on their promises.

Another tool that has helped some folks change their mind, is a list of questions recruiters don't want to be asked:
http://www.objector.org/before-you-enlist/questions.html

3 Comments:

At 4:51 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"1 Way to piss off a Recruiter

Enlisting in the military is strictly voluntary. But in volunteering, a Recruiter must spend countless hours away from his family, his personal life, and time from others who do want this. In saying this, why should I allow you to steal time from my precious LIFE. That make you a criminal. So, if people would just "MAN UP" or WOMEN UP, would all could move on with our lives. "Our word is our bond" is what this generation is lacking. Oh Yeah, you're welcome for the fredoom of speech.

Recruiter

 
At 12:24 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am a Navy recruiter and I have never lied to anyone about the opportunities they have in the Navy. I Just want people to know that there are very good benefits to joining not just the Navy, but the military. Anyone can ask questions involving statistics but how about fliping some of those around. For one, the countries drop out rate for college is over 50%. So what are these reasons? Things like boredom, money issues, grades, and then you have a small amount of people that get into trouble and get dropped. Education is my favorite thing to sell because it sells itself. If you join the military for 3 or 4 years and come out of there with a college degree, you are so many steps ahead of your graduating class. And even if you didn't finish your degree, the MGIB pays out, as long as you are enrolled and maintaining a "C" average, over $1200.00 a month. If your school doesn't cost that much then guess what you do with the remaining money? You keep it. So before people go bashing recruiters and trying to let people know that joining the military is not the right decision then why don't you think about their future. Don't take something away from them just because you have your own agenda. If they want to join then let them because I can guarantee that you can ask anyone in the military or out, that actually put effort into making something out of themself, they were glad they did it and they are happy with the results. If you have any questions or comments then please feel free to e-mail me. Brandonw409@aol.com

 
At 8:25 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well my case in wanting to get out is that the recruiter lied about some stuff so I can enlist fast... And my original intentions were Officer so after looking for info i found out that I can continue graduate studies and do ROTC. And my respect for good recruiters.

 

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